September 12, 2007

Saimoe update 9/12

No surprises yesterday. Satoko's winning vote total was comfortable but not all that high for a Higurashi girl. Then again, she has neither the sexy plus evil jolt of the older girls, nor the unfortunate adorableness of Rika; the story's just brutal to her, not that we're talking about a show full of flowers and dancing. The bracketing is ALSO brutal to her - being third fiddle in the upcoming Suigintou vs. Fate battle will not be kind.

Shamal limped to a victory over Gretel. Scary to think that she actually got an action scene recently - her first since ep 2 of A's. If they'd just left her on the back burner for the rest of the show, she might not have pulled this one out. No comment on Ringo's victory, just don't know the shows.

H-2 is already over. Suigintou was always one of the serious contenders in Rozen Maiden, and the OAV that qualified all the characters this year was all Suigintou's story. Sorry, Manaka, Koyori, but you're two very moveable objects in the face of unstoppable moe.

H-6 isn't nearly as cut and dried (well, what is?) Alicia has a significant vote advantage on her own - decent performance in the first prelim, and hell, I like Aria. Reinforce was pretty moe on her own, for all that she was a bit tall and emo back in A's, but she's not a patch on her replacement and Rein Zwei already lost. I seriously doubt a strong effort to push her through - there's four Strikers characters in group H1 and she's probably bottom of the list. I also remember Steven mentioning that he was shocked that Margery even made the tourney, so we probably shouldn't expect too much out of her.

[Edit - it occurred to me that if you're a bit violent, a bit emo, and have black wings, you could do a lot worse than having your round on the same day as Suigintou. So who knows?]

H-10 is a race for last place - three characters from the bottom half of the second prelim qualifiers. I only know one of them, and frankly, I'd vote for a random character just to vote AGAINST Takano. (Maybe not for Jun. But pretty much anyone else!) Heard Nodame was pretty good, but not to the point that I've grabbed any to watch yet...
Yesterday's results:

1位 543 votes Houjou Satoko@Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
2位 358
votes Sasaki Makie@Negima!?
3位 232
votes Kanna Chitose (Orinaru)@Hitohira

1位 456
votes Shamal@Mahou Syoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS
2位 308
votes Gratel(Hansel)@BLACK LAGOON The Second Barrage
3位 277
votes Neko Musume@Gegege no Kitarou

1位 427
votes Kinoshita Ringo@Otogi Jushi Akazukin
2位 333
votes Futami Ami@iDOLM@STER XENOGLOSSIA
3位 157
votes Hanayamada Yurika(Yuri-pyon)@Chocotto Sister

Today's matches:

H-2(09/13):
水銀燈@ローゼンメイデン オーベルテューレ(Suigintou@Rozen Maiden Ouverture)
小牧愛佳@OVA ToHeart2(Komaki Manaka@OVA ToHeart2)
石月こより@sola(Ishizuki Koyori@sola)

H-6(09/13):
アリシア・フローレンス@ARIA The NATURAL(Alicia Florence@ARIA The NATURAL)
リインフォース(闇の書の意志)@魔法少女リリカルなのはStrikerS(Reinforc e(The Will of the book of darkness)@Mahou Syoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS)
マージョリー・ドー@灼眼のシャナ シリーズ(Margery Daw@Shakugan no Shana Series)

H-10(09/13):
野田恵@のだめカンタービレ(Noda Megumi@Nodame Cantabile)
鷹野三四@ひぐらしのなく頃に(Takano Miyo@Higurashi no Naku Koro ni)
小日向すもも@はぴねす!(Kohinata Sumomo@Happiness!)

Posted by: Avatar_exADV at 05:49 PM | Comments (13) | Add Comment
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1

I read somewhere that the operational definition of "moe" was "a character you felt like hugging" (without saying why).

Margery Daw isn't like that. She's a brassy-blonde-battleaxe-with-big-boobs. (Seems like there are a lot of those around, you know?) She's hundreds of years old. She drinks to excess. When she's drunk she tries to molest high school guys. The character changes during the series but she's never "cute", though she does become a bit more sympathetic at the end.

Unless there's some sort of massive Shana-fanboi groundswell here, I don't see how Margery Daw can make it through this round. But there may well be such a thing, considering that Wilhelmina got into this round too. Man, if anything, she's even more repulsive than Margery Daw. (She isn't even fun to watch. Her costume hides her figure, assuming she has one.)

Wilhelmina didn't win A-2 but she did put up a stubborn fight, so maybe there really is such a groundswell.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 12, 2007 06:23 PM (+rSRq)

2 Wilhelmina has a meido fetish advantage.

Form what was posted on AS, doesn't look like Rein is getting any crossover votes form the fans of the other emo black wing.

But then again this is Rozen Maiden vs Nanoha fandom.

Posted by: Xellos-_^ at September 12, 2007 07:09 PM (12gxe)

3 The canonical fetish maid has a short skirt. Wilhelmina's maid costume looks like a nun's habit.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 12, 2007 11:15 PM (+rSRq)

4

Per Steven's operational definition, a moe character should induce Misaki-like behavior in the viewer. Now all we need is some sort of scale for magnitude.

Posted by: Will at September 12, 2007 11:27 PM (pqGaZ)

5

Exactly. And that's why Matsuri from Ichigo Mashimaro is the most moe character of all time in anime. (Not to mention that she's voiced by Kawasumi Ayako.)

Hell, she even does that to Nobue. (Not that that's difficult, Nobue being the kind of rather-strange person she is.)

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 12, 2007 11:46 PM (+rSRq)

6 havn't you guys heard of nun fetsihes :p

Posted by: Xellos-_^ at September 13, 2007 12:13 AM (VCRDp)

7 Actually, though, nun moe is particularly under-represented in Saimoe. There's few nun-type characters to begin with, and those typically exit early. Rosette last year did precisely squat. Two of 'em from Strikers didn't even make the tourney (granted, no wimples...)

Possibly the nun fetish is just too Western? Or it's displaced by the (definitely operational) miko moe, which has most of the same attributes without the absolute vow of chastity? ;p

It's tough to separate moe from pure popularity - I agree that Matsuri is ten pounds of moe in a five-pound bag, but that doesn't mean she's going to win the tourney here. Then again, if one of the operational definitions of moe is "the ability to raise a horde of supporters"...

Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 13, 2007 06:57 AM (LMDdY)

8 The whole nun-fetish... thing seems (to me at least) to stem from man's natural instinct/drive to *ahem* seed chaste/virgin soil. That doesn't sound like moe to me, unless I'm incorrectly purging a sexual attraction aspect from moe's rather broad definition. On the other hand, moe is a Japanese concept, and that's all that needs be said.

Posted by: Will at September 13, 2007 10:14 AM (SOx9v)

9

Japanese nun-fetish is due to the fact that they don't really understand what nuns are about. It's one of those western things they've borrowed for their entertainment without really full assimilating.

There's a nun in Petite Princess Yucie. Arc makes an unserious pass at her, and isn't uncomfortable doing so, and she doesn't seem offended. It bothered me a moderate amount, and then I wrote it off as an indication of their lack of understanding of what nuns are really about.

Their version of Christmas is a bit strange, too.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 13, 2007 11:13 PM (+rSRq)

10

havn't you guys heard of nun fetsihes :p

It's a habit.

Posted by: Wonderduck at September 13, 2007 11:16 PM (ywZa8)

11 So are you saying that they'd find nuns more attractive if they understood what nuns were about, or less? It's definitely not one of the major moe categories, and not even really represented as a sexual fetish...

I can live with Christmas as a secular holiday that's basically lovers and Santa for the kids, plus the ever-present big tree downtown so the pure little girl can wish for the star on top, heh. But what I don't get is the cake. Cake? Christmas cake? How did that start?

Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 13, 2007 11:23 PM (LMDdY)

12 No, I think that if they really understood nuns, they'd abandon the nun fetish. At least I'd hope they would. But you never know; this is the culture that gave us furries.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 14, 2007 02:28 AM (+rSRq)

13 Just to shove my oar in to the whole nun-moe issue, I think the Japanese understanding of nuns (or the anime understanding, at least) is that they're basically Miko without the whole "ojou-sama" thing miko characters normally have

Posted by: a_c_e at September 14, 2007 03:31 AM (OT3wV)

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